Conspiracy Weary
I spent nearly two hours watching 'Zeitgeist' yesterday. I wouldn't say it was a waste of time, but it was like three conspiracy flicks rolled into one.
The first part was about Christianity, and how it was basically a rip off of all these Pagan and Egytian religions/ folklore etc. I've heard all this before.
Then the second part was about 9/11 being an inside job. It was practically the exact same movie as one I had seen like a year ago...same footage and all.
The only mildly compelling part was about the financial institutions being out to get us. It had a fairly good amount of logic, and the North American Union thing is a little freaky, but they always lose me when they start talking about our forefathers and how they wouldn't have wanted certain things.
It's clear that the first settlers had no idea what the world would be like in 2008. In their time, the goal was to create a free standing country and escape British rule. There was no concept of a world economy.
The whole thing seemed very 'undergrad'. They devoted like 40 minutes to the religion thing, and I was really excited because I thought they'd devote an equal amount of time on Islam...instead they jumped around and never really tied in the whole Christian part to anything else. All it did was call the viewer things like 'brainwashed' and 'dumbed down'. It kinda felt like I was at another smoke filled poetry slam. Don't accuse your listener, freshman.
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Cavutto on
Never heard of 'Zeitgeist' - sounds like the premise might've been promising.
I think you might be able to make an argument that folks in the colonial era had the foundations of a world economy. The Dutch East India Company was around in the early 17th century and is regarded as the first multi-national corporation. You might be able to tie in the 'triangle trade', but the connection to 'world economy' is tenuous I suppose.
I'm not even going to try to insinuate that either of these cases would help to bolster or negate what colonial American leaders would've wanted. I think they would've been happy just to be at the very least self-sufficient and probably lean more towards an export heavy economy.
I don't want to get into religion. I'm done with religion and politics. Neither are of any interest to me whatsoever, no matter how important they are to the world in 2008. Sad but true. It has nothing to do with the current states of them either - I just don't find them interesting personally.
I think you might be able to make an argument that folks in the colonial era had the foundations of a world economy. The Dutch East India Company was around in the early 17th century and is regarded as the first multi-national corporation. You might be able to tie in the 'triangle trade', but the connection to 'world economy' is tenuous I suppose.
I'm not even going to try to insinuate that either of these cases would help to bolster or negate what colonial American leaders would've wanted. I think they would've been happy just to be at the very least self-sufficient and probably lean more towards an export heavy economy.
I don't want to get into religion. I'm done with religion and politics. Neither are of any interest to me whatsoever, no matter how important they are to the world in 2008. Sad but true. It has nothing to do with the current states of them either - I just don't find them interesting personally.
TheJoeD on
Thanks Tom
I should add the idea of 'perception as truth' as to why I'm no longer a fan of conspiracy movies.
It's relatively easy to tie random events together to make it look like cohesive effort. Billions of events happen each day. When a few people have the full time job of pulling those things together we get the string of events presented as the truth because the audience has no reference to the other 'unseen' events.
We get polar extremes of these with the Area 51 crowd, the Nostradamus believers, and the lovely folks who think that hurricanes are god's way of saying he hates gays. Lord only knows what passes for consensus each day.
I should add the idea of 'perception as truth' as to why I'm no longer a fan of conspiracy movies.
It's relatively easy to tie random events together to make it look like cohesive effort. Billions of events happen each day. When a few people have the full time job of pulling those things together we get the string of events presented as the truth because the audience has no reference to the other 'unseen' events.
We get polar extremes of these with the Area 51 crowd, the Nostradamus believers, and the lovely folks who think that hurricanes are god's way of saying he hates gays. Lord only knows what passes for consensus each day.
Lastexit29 on
im not sure the film maker was trying to connect all three. all zeitgesit means is the general feeling of a time.
but yeh, i thought it was interesting, though sorta poorly made.
but yeh, i thought it was interesting, though sorta poorly made.
johnlanguage on
speaking (loosely) of christianity, I'm curious what you think about Obama's campaign mail-outs featuring his very Bush-esque/Mike Huckabee-like rhetoric?
my personal favorite part is how he's obligated to do the Lord's will by doing the Lord's work (as in, his political career). I've NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER seen a Bush quote so openly and megalomaniacally "I've been sent by God to be your Moses" - yet ive heard SOOO many crybabies (rightfully?) crying about Bush's christianity... what's the deal?
oh yeah, and there's this one, where he's comparing himself unashamedly to Moses (in his own words) and even going so far as to insuate HE is the one chosen by God to lead this country into the "promised land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Oh great Barack Obama, Moses of our time, PLEASE come and lead us into thy promised land for we KNOW that thou art sent by God, doing thy Lord's work as we've seen by thy works of thine hands. You megalomaniac prick.
i mean, is this guy playing the left AND the people the left can't stand the most? shouldn't the left be crapping their pants about Obama's quotes as equal opportunity crappers since they're always crying about GOP "Christians" and their "crusading?"
oh yeah, and there's this one, where he's comparing himself unashamedly to Moses (in his own words) and even going so far as to insuate HE is the one chosen by God to lead this country into the "promised land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Oh great Barack Obama, Moses of our time, PLEASE come and lead us into thy promised land for we KNOW that thou art sent by God, doing thy Lord's work as we've seen by thy works of thine hands. You megalomaniac prick.
i mean, is this guy playing the left AND the people the left can't stand the most? shouldn't the left be crapping their pants about Obama's quotes as equal opportunity crappers since they're always crying about GOP "Christians" and their "crusading?"
TheJoeD on
Um, I've never heard about that...are you sure it's not someone or some group trying to scare the left out of voting for him? Sounds like a thinly veiled plot to me.
If he was that hell bent on religion, I wouldn't vote for him ( more because I like to keep my churches and states separate). I HIGHLY doubt that stuff is real
If he was that hell bent on religion, I wouldn't vote for him ( more because I like to keep my churches and states separate). I HIGHLY doubt that stuff is real
